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gerbie ([personal profile] gerbie) wrote2002-01-21 10:04 pm

Concert memories (2) - U2 and others, Munster 1985

This was the big one. For the first time I was going to a real concert, even better I was going to see U2. Whitmonday, a bank holiday in the Netherlands and for most youngsters a reason to go down south, since thirty odd years the place for the famous Pinkpop festival. We didn't. We found a small festival in Germany, where U2 was one of the big names. We, in this case, are a group of 8 people, whom I knew barely, but as they had a free space in one of the cars, I was entitled to come along. My cousin and her boyfriend were part of the group, so they would be looking after me a bit, otherwise I'm sure at age 15 I wouldn't have gotten permission.

It was a hot day, plenty of bands played, Rick Springfield one of them, if I remember well. Mink de Ville played for an hour, though the bassplayer spoiled the fun by playing so loud, my stomach was trembling every time he hit the low notes. But Demasiado Corazon remains a great song. Through the others I heard that there might be a chance to see The Alarm, a band I had never heard of before. It was the end of the day, I had no pocket money left, even then prices at festivals were too high. We were getting tired, sat around at the side, waiting for 'our' music to come. In total there were about 12.000 people, half of them apparently waiting for the headliner of the day, Chris de Burgh. For us, real music fans, a ghastly thought, but don't discuss taste with Germans. Another discussion one shouldn't have is about which football team is best, with a hardcore hooligan. I did. He took my sunhat (won it at a fair the year before) away and threw it on the floor. It wasn't the team to his liking.

While we went up to the front of the crowd, to see if the Alarm had made it, suddenly a familiar face appeared on stage. Bono. It was U2 who started playing and played a great set. Normally at a festival you only get a limited amount of time, but in my memory U2 ignored that completely. A few thousands like us saw a great show. This was before the huge shows were invented for so called superacts. U2 did participate in that a couple of years later. The Unforgettable fire had just been released, they hadn't played big stadiums yet, in a few countries they were big cult heroes. I was a huge fan in those days. I bought singles just because the B-side had a new song on it, taped live recordings from the radio at times of the day when I should have been sound asleep and knew all the lyrics of their first four albums. This show came exactly at the right time for me. At some point I came within two metres of shaking Bono's hand, when he went past the first row to acknowledge their fans. It was the best show I could imagine. They had a fan for life. At least that's what I thought then. At 15 my sense of realism hadn't really kicked in yet. U2 played for ages that day, all through the twilight (which they honoured with the song of that name), until after 3 encores someone backstage must have told them it was more than enough.

Chris de Burgh came on, all Germans got out their lighters and we went towards the exit. Before we got there, my hat was taken again by the same hooligan, who proudly showed the tattoo on his right arm. As a little boy from the country, I still thought football was meant to be fun, so I started a discussion about who were current champions, arguments that do not really convince a hooligan. Apparently some of his mates were waiting for us to fight them. My cousin and her boyfriend convinced me to leave the hat and come with them. I had not taken his threat seriously. Another step towards growing up. But the memory of the band I adored so much is still the memory that'll last a lifetime.

U2 and hooligans

[identity profile] harryroberts.livejournal.com 2002-01-22 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
good post that one, i really like these concert memories. found it strange how when you go to a music concert there is a problem with a football hooligan. arguments that do not really convince a hooligan nothing convinces some hooligans, they will fight you at a concert just as much as they would at a football match so it seems.

good post :)

Re: U2 and hooligans

[identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com 2002-01-23 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. The thing is at 15 I just about heard about the existence of hooligans. To me footy is about piss taking without end. If my team beats yours, I have half a year to let you know, until yours wins and I have to hide for a while. But I can't understand anybody wanting to use violence for the sake of a pass time...
Still can't actually.

Re: U2 and hooligans

[identity profile] harryroberts.livejournal.com 2002-01-23 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
at 16 or 17 i first saw millwall fans hooligans attacking people at random. no point to it, they just wanted to act hard and show us 'northerners' that being from London was something to be proud of. i'm proud to be from Newcastle but don't have the need to attack people from any other area to prove it. all fans take the piss, whether it's english v scottish fans newcastle laughing at sunderlands team etc 99% is just a piss take.

at the time being young and easily led i was always on the fringes of the trouble, but i used to enjoy the atmosphere at the time more. the atmosphere now at football is very poor (i've gone off on a totally different tangent here).

basically i reckon some people just like to fight and fighting with people from a different country or city to try and prove how hard they are. fools.

jeezuz i could talk about footy violence all day, its one of the things i actually read about a lot. not to glorify it, just to actually read what fans are thinking and also the innocent fans that are nearly always caught up in trouble when all they are doing is trying to support there team. (im rambling).

Re: U2 and hooligans

[identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com 2002-01-24 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It's good reading, as we've discussed before, plenty of good material available. I've always considered football hooligans as a cultural problem. It hasn't got much to do with footy, it's about society and the way some people release their tensions and agressiveness. Unfortunately it is spreading around the world. We might not have seen the end of it yet.

Re: U2 and hooligans

[identity profile] harryroberts.livejournal.com 2002-01-24 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
its impossible for people i work with to understand why i'm interested in football violence without them thinking im a hooligan myself. thing is if you've got 3,000 lads who have been drinking for a few hours and live about 30 minutes away its always going to be a "who is better than who" rivalry. its happened in boxing for years, even cricket between lancashire and yorkshire fans. but football is always highlighted because most teams play nearly every week. it is on the uprise over here with the lower league teams, but i think its strange that there are loads of people like me who can pick out a match where they can guarantee there will be trouble just because of the two teams involved and the authorities seemed suprised when something happens. (gladly 90% of my trips away with newcastle have just been about the football and having a few beers).

[identity profile] ex-spiralsta884.livejournal.com 2002-01-23 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I had begun to listen to U2 at around about that time, though I didn't see them live. The Unforgettable Fire remains the best thing they did as far as I'm concerned, and I lost interest after The Joshua Tree. I couldn't refrain from a chuckle or two when I read your recollection of the German audience's musical appreciations.

One of my most memorable gigs is The Fall at the (then newly refurbished) Corn Exchange in King's Lynn, a small English port that has been suffering a protracted death for at least as long as the lifetime of its current inhabitants. However, there was a lot of optimism surrounding the new seven hundred-seat venue, which accounted for the ambitious booking policy that brought The Fall to play there in front of six hundred and sixty empty seats.

It was a strange, incongruent experience. The Fall in King's Lynn. Inevitably, Mark E. Smith was hideously drunk. Needless to say, the Corn Exchange soon reverted to the usual mix of popular classics, Cabaret, inane performers down on their luck and Country and Western.

[identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com 2002-01-24 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
When you're growing up in a small town... Didn't Lou Reed sing about it. It reminds me of saturday nights in my hometown, where some cover band played all the big hits from the top 100 of all times, you know the kind of music: toto, bryan adams, some queen, soem rock classics and everybody kept saying how good they were. This is a cover band remember! I wanted to shout out sometimes, but the appreciation was too big.

I missed out on the Fall, seems exactly a gig you'd never forget, possibly not for the reasons you'd hope for anticipating, but afterwards certainly worth it.

T.U.F. was the highlight of my U2-fan days, I stopped after The Joshua tree as well, at least as a fanatic. Rattle & Hum did have it's charm as well though, my favorite now is October, not only because of the title track, which is great, but because it's an album, not just a collection of songs.