Conspiracy

Jun. 21st, 2002 10:14 pm
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I just love conspiracy theories, I wish I was smart enough to make them up myself. However, with a bit of deduction and debate, one could come up with some good ones.

After September 11 president Bush' approval rates have gone up. Many democratic values have gone missing; the government is fighting a war on terrorism, though that last word can't be defined easily. Not only Bush has become stronger, also the army and everyone around there. The need to be protected is big again, after the cold war finally a new common enemy has been found. The secret services saw that they needed to cooperate, needed more funding, more attention. And by the time criticism on them grew too strong, suddenly there was this mysterious American Muslim who had been arrested because he possibly might have been considering of trying to attempt to build a dirty bomb (for those who aren't sure: yes I am sarcastic). On the other side the strong Jewish community has more evidence than ever that Islam is bad, their influence in the states has grown again.

Completely on the other side, Al Queda's name awareness has grown hugely over the last three quarters of a year. The people of Afghanistan have finally got rid of the Taliban, though Bin Laden hasn't been caught. This last one has shown his power, he was behind the attack (everyone assumes) but can't be linked directly, nor can he be found. His position is unique.

Up until now, everyone has benefited from the major disaster. Is it very cynical to assume there is a big plot behind all this? Would all people and organisations that have come out stronger really sacrifice thousands of lives? Call me whatever you like, but I think they would. History has taught us quite often that in search for power and direct gain, sacrifices are easily made. We probably will never find out the truth behind all this.

Second case: The murder of Fortuyn. Probably not as high profile as the previous case, as one political murder in a small country will never draw as much attention. Nevertheless, for those on this side of the ocean who know what I'm talking about it must be understandable. This supposed killer came from an environmental organisation. He has still to make a statement, though it seems fairly obvious he did it. The weapon on him is the weapon that killed Fortuyn. Just a few random points to prove that this case stinks as much as the previous ones.
1. Fortuyn was shot six times. From close range, that's true. Still being hit five times in essential places would qualify Van der G. as an Olympian immediately. Yet he has no licence for a weapon, nor is he a member of a shooting club. Where did he learn to shoot like this?
2. The calibre of the weapon was heavier than most 'normal' weapons. How did he manage to get his hands on this?
3. Even though he hasn't made a statement, the first thing he told the police was the name of his lawyer, a firm that in the past has defended members of the Roter Armee Fraction. It does show that he knew what he was doing.
4. How often does the phrase 'Where are the police when you need them?" come up? Not now. Within 8 minutes of the shooting five police cars were there to arrest Van der G. Some of them even wearing extra strong bulletproof vests. How the hell is that possible, unless they knew in advance where they should have been?
5. The traditional power outside politics (clergy, top companies, and ministries) has a tendency towards right wing politics. At the time of the killing, the elections threatened to go to the small left wing parties and one independent brilliant politician. All this at the expense of the traditional big parties. Then a lefty (environmentalist!) kills the brilliant politician and both supposed winners did not win as expected. Instead the Christian democrats profited and snatched the victory.
6. We are not supposed to know names of suspects in any normal case, yet within hours of the murder, the name of the suspect was all over the Internet. Some foreign channels even named him with his full family name within the first 24 hours.
7. Now, a month and a half after the murder, we still know very little about the investigation. Some mistakes have been made, shouts of cover-ups within a week seem exaggerated to me, it is weird that we get very little information.

Third conspiracy: how come I got a new contract, but not a pay rise?

hehe

Date: 2002-06-22 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquariusmama.livejournal.com
Ahh, Gerbie, I would so love to get into this one. Unfortunately, it is 90 degrees out and humid, my brain is melting and summer has taken over my body. I can't think, and don't want to...I just want to lay in the sun and sip frozen drinks.

Waaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttt!!! Who turned up the heat??? Maybe it's a conspiracy to lull us into submission. hmm.

Re: hehe

Date: 2002-06-22 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
That's the best way. Sit in the sun, get a few bevvies down your neck and think about what went wrong in the world. Let me know what you've come up with :-))

Re: hehe

Date: 2002-06-22 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquariusmama.livejournal.com
Ok, here's what I think...
It's true that some people did benifit from 9/11. I don't, however, think in ANY way that it was allowed to happen. I think that US intelligence gets threats all the time, the vast majority are completely false. True, security should have been stepped up, something should've been done...but it's so easy to judge after the fact. I never liked Bush (said that a million times!) but, I don't think he is some evil psycho that willfully allowed a devastating attack on the US in order to come out like some kind of hero.

If, however, conspiracy theories are right...I don't want to know. I am happy the way I am, in the dark. Believing that there are mostly good people in this world. Believing that I am safe and that I will continue to enjoy my life, my family and friends..all of it. I don't want to live in fear or paranoia.

(The following could be frozen drink induced, sounds a little silly..but I mean it.)
I basically believe that things happen for a reason. That we are all here to learn from each other and ourselves. So maybe any good that does come out of 9/11 can just be taken as a gift, instead of assumed to be some kind of twisted plot. The Taliban needed to go down..way before September. It's good to see Americans show some love for their country, instead of being so used to complaining. Conspiracy theories and pointing fingers only show that the world has gone back to normal. People are no longer inspired to unite, it's business as usual.

Re: hehe

Date: 2002-06-23 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
I just stated that I love the theory, not that I actually believe it. I agree that if you start believing this, faith in mankind has sunk to an alltime low. At times I'm like that, but mostly I prefer to ignore the fact that evil exists.

People complaining about their country to me is a sign that things are going great. If they're really into trouble, they wouldn't bother moaning, only when they've got time on their hands and things go well, just not brilliant, people start acting. The fundament of capitalism: more more more.

Date: 2002-06-22 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oftherain.livejournal.com
I have talked to numerous people about the very same theory: that the Bush administration knew about the attacks and knowingly didn't curtail them or perhaps even planned them.

It seems very suspicious that the biggest political power suddenly has embraced the roll of the victim. Everyday there are warnings to various communities, that remind the people that the enemy is this mysterious evil band called "the taliban."

Also, isn't it funny that the jet heading towards the Whitehouse didn't make it? and that the area of the pentagon that got hit was an unused area. hmmmmmm.

Re:

Date: 2002-06-22 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
If you start thinking about it, lots of points do come up. Your last two very valuable ones as well, I hadn't even thought of that.

Date: 2002-06-22 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] javamental.livejournal.com
Ohmigawd, don't get me started . . .
This whole 9-11 thing absolutely reeks of set-ups and conspiracies to me.
I don't know if the Bush Admin planned it, but they definately took advantage of it.

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Date: 2002-06-22 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
I don't think they planned it either. But it sure helped them, they might have had knowledge but decided not to act upon it.

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Date: 2002-06-24 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] javamental.livejournal.com
I doubt we'll ever know exactly what went on -- at least, not for quite awhile. But I think you're on to something. I think Bush and his Admin had a fair idea that there was going to be an attack, and decided not to do anything to stop it. I hope they didn't know it was going to be as big as it was. But I really think that they did know something, because there are just too many fishy details floating around, or that I heard about once in the news then never heard about again.

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Date: 2002-06-24 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
Scary thought, knowing that there is so much going on without us knowing what. Someone else deciding what's good for us, what we are entitled to know.

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Date: 2002-06-25 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] javamental.livejournal.com
Yes, it is. I see how easy it would be to get paranoid about it!

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