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[gerbie]

Nice article I read somewhere else on LJ. There are thinking Americans after all.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/639017.asp?0na=2101110R&cp1=1


Though I guess I already knew after plenty of reactions on two of my posts here. It does give you a ray of hope for the future after seeing what happened yesterday. I love these discussions with well thinking people from everywhere, even though I don't agree with half of them most of the time. I'm glad my LJ list has at least 7 nationalities, even more cultural backgrounds.

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Re: Like it, like it

[gerbie.livejournal.com]

I can't remember a declaration of war. Have I missed something? Which country announced that they are at war with the US?

A war is one country against another. Or more. But NOT terrorism, that's an entirely different story. And even though there seems to be evidence against one person, I still haven't seen conclusive evidence.

As for those innocents: these people could have been moved, offcourse, apart from the fact that there wasn't a benefit in it for the Taliban. It would have been like an invitation: look, here we are, it's just us, bomb us. The innocent people in Afganistan have been suffering for nearly two decades now. They have suffered under the Taliban, a movement that became strong as a result of American influence in the cold war. They are the ones that have been dying in big numbers for ages, when the whole world has been ignoring them. Why should the Taliban suddenly change their policy? They are not American...

Re: Like it, like it

[aquariusmama.livejournal.com]

War was declared, not in words, but in action. The country was Afghanistan because of their support of bin Laden. I feel like I am repeating myself on that one. Obviously we need to agree to disagree on that. The same thing goes for the proof, no one is going to bring you personally the proof at this time. (Unless you are cleared for classified information, in that case, go demand it!) I have seen enough proof to convince me.
I really am sorry that innocent people are dying. I did care about the women and children in Afghanistan before all of this too. I wasn't turning my head to it. Over a year ago I sat crying watching a television show on what the Taliban has done to people. They are sick bastards. As far as your last paragraph, I think it speaks for itself. The Taliban has never cared about the innocent people, they knew what would happen if they didn't cooperate...
As far as Americans changing policies, I don't know specifically what policy you mean. However, I think that changing policies depending on the situation and changes in the world is something that should always be open.

Re: Like it, like it

[gerbie.livejournal.com]

Okay, agree to disagree on the first point.

Chancing policies: Iraq benefited for ages, as the US considered Iran a threat, then when they invaded Kuwait, they were suddenly the villains.

Taliban, same story. Received weapons and money while they fought the Soviet Union, now they are the worst threat on earth.

Both examples to me show the 180 turn the US has made, as both Saddam Hussain and the Taliban have been following a fairly straight line (which I do not support btw, just to be clear) since they came into power.

Re: Like it, like it

[aquariusmama.livejournal.com]

You are right. Well, I am glad that the US made the turn. Politics especially international politics is a tricky business. I can't imagine trying to keep peace with the amount of insane leaders in this world. So, I guess sometimes you have to appease someone you don't like in order to get what you want or need at the time. Or, to keep the peace somewhere else and not start another conflict.

Re: Like it, like it

[gerbie.livejournal.com]

True, the task of a minister of foreign policies can't be a really easy one...