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Pictures about Bush or Mr.Bean as Bin Laden, pictures of new skylines of Manhattan, new ways to construct new twin towers. You must have seen them. In your email or here on LJ. They are not really funny are they? Why do people forward them then?

Watching CNN Sunday night I saw a green screen next to whoever was talking at the time. Supposingly these were images from Afghanistan by night. All I could see were some lights once in a while. Nothing else. To me it resembled most an old-fashioned computer screen, from the days of the five and a quarter inch floppy disk. Was somebody playing a Commodore 64 in Atlanta, trying to fool us?

Does nobody realise that even if you do kill/catch Bin Laden, the battle is nowhere near over? According to the CIA his organisation stretches out over 60 countries, by just grabbing the big leader, the terrorists will be more determined to continue their battle. They only see these actions as confirmation of what they already knew: America is the big aggressor. A new leader will arise, nothing really changes.

If Afghanistan is bombed empty, will America start destroying other places that are tied to Bin Laden? Switzerland, where he undoubtedly has plenty of his money. Saudi Arabia, because of his nationality. Florida, as several of the hijackers learned how to fly over there. Pakistan, because it's conveniently close to Afghanistan. Who's next?

Did anybody read 1984? See any similarities? (Thanx Jacob Levich for pointing them clearly)

Some people painted racist remarks on a Syrian Orthodox Church in a city close to where I live. For your information, this is a Christian church. However sad any outrage against Muslims is, this one shows it's the ignorant fools who commit them. I can understand that the difference between Muslim Turks and Christian Turks might not be clearly visible to everybody. But the big cross on the church might have been a hint..

Why can a foreigner not point out that Patriotism is wrong? Do we not see it?

Do people want to read about everything that is going on? Two of my favourite LJ writers on the subject are [livejournal.com profile] insomnia and [livejournal.com profile] habibi

Date: 2001-10-10 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
btw Jeroen: I already wrote the entry when I read your post today. No offence intended

Date: 2001-10-10 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeroen.livejournal.com
none taken :)

war fear

Date: 2001-10-11 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] decemberthirty.livejournal.com
You've summed up one of my biggest fears about the current "war"; that it will never be over. There is shockingly little clarity about exactly what the objectives are. Will we stop bombing once bin Laden is dead or in custody? That will certainly not put an end to terrorism. Will we stop once the Taliban is no longer in control of Afghanistan? That seems like a war against the Taliban, rather than against terrorism. If it really is a war against terrorism, it will never stop, since there are more terrorists waiting to take over from each one that is caught or killed. I'm dreading how bad this could get.

Re: war fear

Date: 2001-10-11 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
At which point I refer to 1984 again. War against an enemy that changes, war without end. I can imagine you're scared. It frightens me, and I am not even close any of the action.

Date: 2001-10-11 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frannywentzel.livejournal.com
No fireman ever assumes that there is going to be a last fire to fight.

No policeman assumes that there will be a last 'collar'.

Terrorism will be a never ending war because there is alway evil in the world.

This should not stop us from fighting. No-one ever believed that there would be an end to the Cold War. Sometime the good guys get to win.

Re:

Date: 2001-10-12 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
You should fight terrorism, no doubt about that. But is that what is really happening at the moment? Is this aimed at terrorists or are these the token bombings to show the world that the US can't let this happen, to show the people in the US that they are dealing with it, to show potential opposing countries that the US are strong? In my opinion they are all that, but NOT actually fighting terrorism.

Who were the good guys in the cold war? I'm still not sure about that one...

Re:

Date: 2001-10-12 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
Which means that the cold war is still on then.

Date: 2001-10-12 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bruceberry.livejournal.com
I don't agree with disaproving these jokes. Some may not be that funny, as a matter of taste, but if you point is that one should not make light of a situations like this than I think you're undersestimating the power of humour. I think it can help you cope with this type of thing. If we can laugh about something than I feel that makes it easier to accept the situation, to accept reality. It's difficult to accept, but it is reality and we are going to have to live with it so we might as well try to make the best of it, and banning fun as a matter of principle because of the gravity of the situation? I don't see the point, and it sounds to me that you are not willing to accept a situation, which is your moral right, but I wonder if it's not a denial of the reality of the situation?

Re:

Date: 2001-10-12 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
I completely agree that humour can be a big help. I don't disaprove of jokes, it's just I don't think any of them are really funny. And I do get them too often, forwarded by several people without thinking. Some of the ideas are not bad, it's just that most of these are too obvious. Humour, in my opinion, should not only attempt to make you laugh, it is even more superior if it makes you think. None of the said jokes have.

Re:

Date: 2001-10-12 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bruceberry.livejournal.com
Sorry mate, I just thought you were a wee bit serious there. If it's a case of your email buddies not having more taste, then I know what you mean. Been there, done that, thank got not got the Tshirt..
I'll stop now, see I tend to joke a lot, and I wouldn't want to offend you with any 'inferior' remarks slipping through..
(Just kidding)

Re:

Date: 2001-10-12 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
Nay need for sarcasm there buddy ;-))

Date: 2001-10-12 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
I've noticed that my attempt to link some other journals failed miserably. Okay, the two LJ's I tried to mention are:

insomnia

and

habibi

off topic

Date: 2001-10-13 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ladyvox549.livejournal.com
Grappig om viavia (littlegreenfroggie's LJ actually) weer eens een Nederlander tegen te komen.

~Lady V

Re: off topic

Date: 2001-10-13 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gerbie.livejournal.com
LGF is great! Plenty of cloggies around here in LJ land, I've got a few on my friends list.
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